Boeing's China Problem

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  • Published: 10 September 2019
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    References:
    [1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR?locations=CN
    [2] https://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Documents/TopTenPaxMarkets_graph.pdf
    [3] https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3024610/you-can-buy-russias-putin-pitches-su-57-stealth-jets
    [4] https://skift.com/2019/01/08/boeing-edges-airbus-to-stay-worlds-biggest-commercial-aircraft-manufacturer/
    [5] https://s2.q4cdn.com/661678649/files/doc_financials/annual/2019/Boeing-2018AR-Final.pdf
    [6] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/04/boeing-stock-all-time-high-on-china-demand-production-acceleration.html
    [7] https://graphics.reuters.com/ETHIOPIA-AIRPLANE/010091341G7/index.html
    [8] https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/283437/what-routes-does-the-boeing-737-max-8-fly/
    [9] https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2018/09/airbus--china-assembly-facility-marks-10-years-of-quality-manufa.html
    [10] https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-and-its-737-max-jets-have-a-china-problem-11554904340
    [11] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/business/china-boeing.html
    [12] https://www.apnews.com/88d5235d2107400680d8b0870d30d218
    [13] https://www.marketplace.org/2019/02/11/ceo-americas-biggest-exporter-manufacturing-america-doing-business/
    [14] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-25/airbus-is-said-to-seal-long-awaited-aircraft-order-from-china
    [15] https://www.mhi.com/news/story/190625.html
    [16] https://ukranews.com/en/news/612803-antonov-planning-to-resume-production-of-an-148-an-158-and-an-178-planes-in-2019
    [17] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/china-comac-919-new-plane-ryanair/

Comments • 2 947

  • Mark Moses
    Mark Moses  49 minutes back

    That will stop guarantee it

    • Matlockization
      Matlockization  2 hours back

      The Chinese have always been a problem to do trade with.

      • p D
        p D  3 hours back

        Boeing is a stupid company. They did not know who they are working with.

        • David Bardavidi
          David Bardavidi  3 hours back

          Chinese will dump boeing due to the National security risk it poses to non-US nations as soon as their capabilities are in Sync.........Boeing is too involved in Arms manufacturing not to be involved in spying and Info. Extracting operations.......After all no one company in US has the Power to regulates itself unless involved in Covert ops.............The relationship of Boeing and the Defense dept. is too close and highly risky for any major Nation not to pay attention to...........Chinese might be Friendly and Diplomatic but would not take them for Naivity.........Selah

          • Mia DoubleZeroSeven
            Mia DoubleZeroSeven  4 hours back

            The “cheap” always becomes expensive. Thanks to the greed of corporations; America has decimated its manufacturing, transferred its wealth & handed over their blueprints...all whilst crushing the middle class.
            They were outplayed. SMH

            • sushi777300
              sushi777300  4 hours back

              The FAA failed to keep its leading role because it tried to protect Boeing and ignored the evidence

              • mitchell wood
                mitchell wood  5 hours back

                i got bored.. opened up porn.. jerked off... allt he while this guys blabbering in the back ground... looked at my facebook.. then realized I had this playing in the background the whole time for the past 9 minutes and completely forget about fucking boeing or china.

                • Stefan Adamcik
                  Stefan Adamcik  5 hours back

                  Look at that Whore, Macron. What a perfect prostitute he is, smiling, while he has that Chinese cock in his mouth. Making eye contact while he sucks, and all. So good.What does he charge for an hour?

                  • The Foreigner
                    The Foreigner  6 hours back

                    Airbus is better anyway. Boeing is over rated and over priced.

                    • Stewie Griffin
                      Stewie Griffin  6 hours back

                      wham watching whis

                      • Aaron Moreno
                        Aaron Moreno  6 hours back

                        I think the lyrics are a bit dull for a hot-button Swing song, but the bass line is killer!

                        • IETCHX69
                          IETCHX69  8 hours back

                          self 323

                          • Erwin Rommel
                            Erwin Rommel  8 hours back

                            boeings biggest competitor is the 3rd camera on the iPhone 11

                            • sailorashore
                              sailorashore  8 hours back

                              Boeings production is now out-scourced since the move to Obamas' Chicago ..it it a different company..

                              • Lost Poet
                                Lost Poet  8 hours back

                                COMAC was charged with copying the A320 and 737 without the benefit of experience with design and manufacturing regulations or the tribal knowledge of Boeing or Airbus. Historically Chinese corporations seem to expect regulations to adapt to their needs which fails to work in a world regulated market such as aviation. This will require a massive shift in thinking at COMAC and a willingness to adapt to the realities of the rest of the world. It is a significant accomplishment that they have produced a prototype C919 that has even flown but this falls decades short of Chinas stated goal to mass produce an FAA or EASA Type Certificated aircraft for the world market. Unfortunately for Chinas world stage ambitions the C919 may be be delayed long enough to be out of date. Uncertified outside of China the C919 if produced at all will exist only in small numbers. The odds are China will eventually get commercial aircraft manufacturing right but the rest of the world sees the obvious need for huge cultural and intellectual evolution. These changes may require generations to accomplish and cannot just be willed into place by government decree.

                                • powerone1
                                  powerone1  8 hours back

                                  You can not deal with China using free market principles. You have to look at any large company as being the Chinese government. Tariffs are a very important tool to use. Never allow Chinese products to be sold in the US at a lower cost then what products manufactured in the US can be purchased at.

                                  • Rishav
                                    Rishav  8 hours back

                                    why does china need planes when they have trains?

                                    • James L
                                      James L  9 hours back

                                      Brilliant vid !!

                                      • Magnus Juul
                                        Magnus Juul  10 hours back

                                        Funny how when china actually makes "their own" plane, it's just a ripoff off a european plane. They really have zero innovative capabilities what-so-ever. I don't get why western countries still keep pouring money into china, when they'll just become our greatest competitor in a 100 years or so

                                        • sophon block
                                          sophon block  8 hours back

                                          Why western countries still keep investing into China? The same reason Boeing made a crap passenger plane 737Max, because they want to earn more with spending less. However China nowadays produce better products with cheaper prices. China is becoming the new Japan, superior technology development that becomes better and better. Actually WE, the consumers benefit from this. The ones are crying are the 1% filthy rich, and I am not sorry for them,. for too long they cheated our money with overpriced products and getting it made with slave wage labor.

                                      • Ken Kir
                                        Ken Kir  11 hours back

                                        Why is China buying so many planes? Well capital chases assets, and right now China has a capitalization bubble. What will China do to those planes? Probably sell most of them at a loss in 5 years. China is fast becoming japan 1984 2.0

                                        • Jamy Chong
                                          Jamy Chong  13 hours back

                                          It's weird that clicked on this video andI enjoyed it as I have no interest in airlines or China

                                          • Cbeddoe19
                                            Cbeddoe19  13 hours back

                                            Boeing screwed the pooch big time in multiple ways with the 437 max.

                                            • Cbeddoe19
                                              Cbeddoe19  7 hours back

                                              @Noble Six lol. That was supposed to be a 7. Oops.

                                            • Noble Six
                                              Noble Six  8 hours back

                                              Well. Considering they never made it, yes

                                          • Waleed Banjar
                                            Waleed Banjar  13 hours back

                                            China are the biggest Boeing costumers and yet, your STUPID president are threatening china by cutting American services such as Android, what a stupid move

                                            • Colonel Chuck
                                              Colonel Chuck  15 hours back

                                              Airbus and Boeing are both on the government tit, but those awful, scheming Chinese!

                                              • Brennen Cox
                                                Brennen Cox  15 hours back

                                                9:28 Forced technology transfer... DUH.

                                                • Brennen Cox
                                                  Brennen Cox  15 hours back

                                                  In the long run, which is the game the CCP is playing, it doesnt matter. China already produces its own scooters and cars. Commercial aircraft are soon on the horizon. So it doesnt matter what Boeing or Airbus do, the CCP will replace them with domestically made aircraft as soon as it can. And just like with all its other markets, outsiders will be pushed out (largely) and domestically produced goods will be given an unfair advantage.

                                                  Edit: Oh, 7:44 this video mentions that.

                                                  • Wade Higgins
                                                    Wade Higgins  16 hours back

                                                    They knew the plane had issues, that's why the May Crash Any Second sensor was installed.

                                                    • Brennen Cox
                                                      Brennen Cox  16 hours back

                                                      1:08 China isn't a continent.

                                                      • TheDimHall
                                                        TheDimHall  16 hours back

                                                        Of course China makes rip off planes now too

                                                        • GLR
                                                          GLR  18 hours back

                                                          5:23 ONLY IN USA SAFETY AND LOGIC IS CONSIDERED FLEXING THEIR MUSCLE TO HAVE THE UPPER HAND IN BUSINESS.... EVEN IF EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED TO THAT, THEY STILL HAVE TO PLAY IT SAFE AND NOT KILL PEOPLE WITH THE RUSHED BOEING MACHINE

                                                          • The Casual Citizen
                                                            The Casual Citizen  18 hours back

                                                            Good content about the China aircraft market. I will not fly on a COMAIR aircraft. There is now and never has been quality manufacturing result in a Communist political system.

                                                            • wizbang68
                                                              wizbang68  20 hours back

                                                              :15 odd way to say half a billion passengers, but then put the number of 500,000,000 (500 million) yes they could be considered equals but for those who aren't native english speakers it's confusing to state one number and then display a different wording visually... Although equivalent they aren't the same. 1/2 billion would have been better in the graphic or verbally state 500 million. Also, Anatov was defect in 2017. But if the Comac is produced the way many of low cost items are produced in China. IE: Using substandard materials, not maintaining quality control standards, etc. If you look at a category on Amazon for a product. The low cost versions made in China will often show shorted wiring, cracked casing, etc, etc. So If Comac is to be low cost jet, Ryanair may be expecting more than they receive.

                                                              • Thom Al
                                                                Thom Al  20 hours back

                                                                ho hum - sometimes I wish china went back behind whatever it was they opened to open up.

                                                                • P Daniel
                                                                  P Daniel  21 hours back

                                                                  wENDOVER YOU SAY THERE IS NO COMPETITION FOR BOEING AND AIRBUS AND THEN 3 MINS LATER YOU SAY COMAC IS THREATENING BOEING

                                                                  • P Daniel
                                                                    P Daniel  21 hours back

                                                                    NO THE FAA IS STILL THE PRE-EMINENT REGULATOR. NOT CHINA

                                                                    • Dan Doris
                                                                      Dan Doris  23 hours back

                                                                      I'm curious what Boeing is doing to really fix the problem with the 737 Max. Seems they really should either go back to the original engines designed for the 737, or redesign the 737 to not need the MCAS (the device that caused the crashes). Be even more maddening then the self certification Boeing was allowed to certify their own planes, not sure what has been to address that problem.

                                                                      • 微博:环球商务客
                                                                        微博:环球商务客  23 hours back

                                                                        China has big markets but it belongs to its own aircrafts

                                                                        • tapsulinka
                                                                          tapsulinka  24 hours back

                                                                          There the biggest point is the Comac. It will be the main airplane to all of those companies who are partly owned by Chinese government or financed by Chinese state owned banks and those companies which are state owned and where China has big enough influence and then those companies who are just looking the cheapest price. It does mean that Comac planes will be the main plane at all Chinese companies and well as several Asian and African companies as well as Ryanair and similar low cost companies. Those will be bigger market than the rest of the companies so after 10-15 years Comac will be the biggest airplane manufacturer, unfortunately.

                                                                          • mike bob
                                                                            mike bob  1 days back

                                                                            this chinese propoganda proudly brought to you by Winnie the Pooh

                                                                            • MOStein
                                                                              MOStein  1 days back

                                                                              No one is going to buy a fucking Chinese plane, are you serious?? China probably wouldn't even buy them lets be real 😂😂😂

                                                                              • Jason F
                                                                                Jason F  1 days back

                                                                                BOEING AND AIRBUS HAVE TAUGHT THE CHINESE TO BUILD AIRCRAFT! WHEN CHINA IS DONE LEARNING TO BUILD JETS, THEY WILL NATIONALIZE THE PLANTS!!! DUHH!!!

                                                                                • monster FZ09
                                                                                  monster FZ09  1 days back

                                                                                  Coming soon, Boeing: "Made in China"

                                                                                  • Can't B you
                                                                                    Can't B you  1 days back

                                                                                    airbus planes are more comfortable anyway

                                                                                  • BADGUY 1
                                                                                    BADGUY 1  1 days back

                                                                                    I did an avionics certification at Boeing in 1980. At that time Boeing had TWO competing engineering groups to develop new products. One group was called (the best I can remember) "Product Engineering". The other was called "Staff Engineering". The job of the "Product Engineering" group was to layout the "nuts and bolts" of the product installation (hardware design...wiring diagrams, etc). The job of the "Staff Engineering" group was to test the installation to see if it met all safety considerations. Of course there were many disputes between the two groups...arguing "nuts and bolts" considerations against "safety" ones. I had heard, the "Staff Engineering" groups were downsized and/or possibly eliminated, to "speed up" certification of new systems. If that is true (but I hope it's not), Boeing's move to save a little on development and engineering costs, cost them BIG BUCKS paying reparations for their 737 Max fiasco.... a payout that might have otherwise been avoided if they spent more time (and $'s) evaluating the operation of their new pitch control system...that caused those two crashes.

                                                                                    • BADGUY 1
                                                                                      BADGUY 1  1 days back

                                                                                      I supported the assembly of McDonald Douglas, MD-80's, in Shanghai in the mid 1980's. So China is NOT new to western aircraft assembly and avionics. A Chinese aircraft factory, in Shenyang, also assembled vertical tail sections for Boeing aircraft in the early 1980's. Boeing helped build their own competition by allowing the Chinese to strong arm them into assisting the Chinese aircraft industry and giving up manufacturing secrets to them...in order to get aircraft orders.

                                                                                      • haydar abood
                                                                                        haydar abood  1 days back

                                                                                        Why speeking fast

                                                                                        • J IJzer
                                                                                          J IJzer  1 days back

                                                                                          So also made in China garbage in the sky

                                                                                          • Epsensieg 18
                                                                                            Epsensieg 18  24 hours back

                                                                                            Actually China produces some world class products, its the buyers who demand cheap, the customers who demand cheap so that's what they get … cheap.

                                                                                          • J IJzer
                                                                                            J IJzer  1 days back

                                                                                            @Epsensieg 18 true but the quality got better and better but from China is is getting worse and worse

                                                                                          • Epsensieg 18
                                                                                            Epsensieg 18  1 days back

                                                                                            The same was said about Japan … japcrap.

                                                                                        • Nicholas Miller
                                                                                          Nicholas Miller  1 days back

                                                                                          China will preference its own manufacturers when they reach proficiency. This is inevitable and understandable.

                                                                                          Boeing doesn't need to be the world's largest airplane manufacturer to be successful or sustainable. The real challenge for Boeing will be whether the United States government and U.S. airlines are smart enough to prevent China from dumping airplanes on the U.S. market to undermine Boeing.

                                                                                          • Epsensieg 18
                                                                                            Epsensieg 18  1 days back

                                                                                            The US does the same, there are 30 models of cars banned in the US. The Toyota Landcruiser ute being one.